An Israeli, a Babylonian, and an Egyptian walk into a Brewery (Part 1)

“… and the car keys bounced right into the storm drain!” Joni exclaimed. The table erupted—some laughing, others groaning, each sipping the liquid remains of their oncebeer-1379581_1920 magnificently fizz-crowned Pilsner glasses. For once in my life, I finished my beer first and decided that, since the night was still young, I would fight my way back through the crowd to request a refill of the dark, frothy stout I am still so fond of.

It was while I was waiting at the bar that I saw a peculiar event unfold.

A small group comprised of two men and one woman entered the brewery and made their way towards the hand-crafted bar stools. Sliding themselves effortlessly onto the polished wooden seats, they continued a conversation that must have been going on for some time. The woman, who was an Israeli, sat looking at a drink menu and listened patiently as the over-confident young men argued animatedly with one another.

Intrigued yet trying to remain unnoticed, I sat quietly a few stools down from them, feigning disinterest, glancing over at them now and again.

“That doesn’t matter!” The mustached man protested.

“Chad, you know very well that as an Egyptian our history and religious practice dates farther back than yours.”

(From what I gathered, Chad was of Babylonian descent.)

“Can we at least agree that the firmament is a fixed, solid dome covering the earth—not too unlike the dome one finds in The Truman Show?” he reasoned, making an imaginary half-circle with his hands.Truman Dome

“Of course,” Chad remarked.

All of a sudden, the intensity of the conversation lowered.

“And can we agree that water sits upon the solid firmament-dome of the earth?” The Egyptian man queried further, stroking his mustache.

“How else would the sky appear blue and where could the rain come from otherwise?” Chad responded.

“Exactly! So we are in agreement there then,” said the Egyptian.

“Yes. On these points anyway,” Chad replied.

The Egyptian man added, “And the shape of the earth? Round like a disc?”

Chad nodded in agreement.

Truman star

“And what do you think about the lights we see in the sky each clear night?”

Chad answered, “Placed into the solid dome beneath the waters, again, not so unlike what one observes in The Truman Show.”

To this the Egyptian exclaimed, “So while we disagree on the powers behind it all, we can at least agree on geography then!”

“Precisely, we can.” Chad agreed.

Michal finished looking at her menu and placed it on the bar counter.

“And how about you, Michal?” The Egyptian man asked. “Where do you stand on this?”

Michal quickly yet confidently stated: “I agree with you.”

After a brief pause, she continued, “If one looks at Genesis 1, they will see that God created the heavens and the earth. And when God did so, he put a firmament-dome around the earth, and he separated the waters below the earth from those above the dome of the earth, just like what you were both saying earlier. Furthermore, God put lights in the dome underneath the heavenly waters including the two greater lights: the sun and the moo…”

“And the shape of the earth?” Chad interrupted.

“I was just getting there, Chad,” Michal retorted sharply yet not loudly. The intense gleam in her eye was enough to cause Chad to instinctively raise his hands at half-surrender.

“Isaiah 40 says that God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth. Many churches around here take this to mean a sphere, but a circle doesn’t necessarily mean a sphere. Plus, when one considers that there was no conception of spherical planets when the Bible was written, it seems much more likely to be describing a disc.”

Ancient Cosmology
This schematic reconstruction is found in: Iconographic Exegesis of the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament: An Introduction to Its Theory, Method, and Practice

“It would be a bit anachronistic to believe that ‘circle’ would mean ‘sphere’ in this case,” surmised the Egyptian.

“Honestly,” she added, “does it make sense to have a dome over a sphere? Not really. Maybe a dome over a part of the sphere would work like what we saw in The Truman Show, but not over the entire globe.”

“Furthermore, the Bible talks about the earth being laid on foundations and set upon pillars. Would it make sense for a revolving and rotating globe to be set firmly upon foundations or pillars? No.”

“I think, therefore, that the earth must be a disc rather than a sphere.” She concluded with a smile of satisfaction.

“So we are all in agreement then?” asked the Egyptian man.

“Yes, it appears so,” she said as she motioned for the bartender.

“Perhaps we can continue this after we order.”

The young men mumbled, “Right.”

“I still want to hear about that sea-serpent water-deity we were talking about earlier, Chad,” the Egyptian man said as the two of them opened their menus.

“Maybe we can start there when we’ve finished ordering.”

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  1. I don’t understand why it is so important for the Bible to be scientifically accurate. I remember sitting in a class at BBC where the prof had this big list of references where the Bible supposedly predicted some scientific truth. There was even an example from proverbs or psalms or something about the water cycle.
    These same people will say that we can’t accept evolution because of implications, when about the implications of adopting and imposing an epistemology that has it’s roots in materialism. They don’t say, for example, that evolution isn’t true because they looked at the evidence, they say it by interpreting the Bible a certain way and then imposing that interpretation on the available evidence.
    I get it, you’re trying to win their game playing by their rules, but if you consent to playing that game at all, you’ve already lost.
    And with Adam people say if that story wasn’t literally true then sin doesn’t exist and we have no need for Christ. 300 people within the Catholic church were just exposed as being child abusers; in a world where ISIS, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol pot, Castro, Vikings, Huns, Gengis Khan, Robespierre, Diocletian, Nero, and the Borgias exist that I need a literal Adam literally eating a literal fruit for people to be born with sin in their soul? I find it almost insulting.

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    1. I agree with you, but I’m actually not necessarily playing their game but am trying to show where you end up if you hold to the Bible’s cosmology (not that there is just one anyway). You can’t be young earth based on the Bible and not also be flat earth and solid dome… from what I read anyway.

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      1. That was worded poorly, I didn’t mean “you” Elijah, I meant”you” as in ken ham fundamentalists. Sorry for the unrefined ranting, one of the reasons I don’t post much on facebook anymore lol

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      2. Haha okay. I reread it, and it makes sense to me now. Yeah. Maybe evolution is a good explanation for material origins or maybe not. It’s not really concerning to me. I don’t think the authors of the Bible really were concerned with it either. I think they were concerned more with theological claims then with material origin stories.

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